The U.S. government should increase sanctions against North Korea in response to the Sony hack, while Americans should work to improve their personal cybersecurity, two Heritage Foundation experts Steve Bucci and Bruce Klingner said on MSNBC’s Morning Joe this morning.

In a report last year, Klingner explains how the U.S. can isolate North Korea’s regime:

Rather than being used in isolation, sanctions and engagement are most effective when integrated into a comprehensive strategy that engages all of the instruments of national power. Not fully utilizing any element of national power reduces the effectiveness of U.S. foreign policy.

Bucci and Klingner are leading experts on cybersecurity and North Korea, respectively, and are among the only ones in Washington offering ideas on how to act in response.

This morning’s interview wasn’t the first time Heritage has weighed in on the Sony hack and subsequent fallout. Our experts have done dozens of interviews on the topic because Heritage has the credibility and command of the facts that news producers and the American public desire.

Do you agree that increased sanctions is the best way to respond to the attack?

Comments (66)

Jimmy Mahuron - December 19, 2014

It seems to me that all of your expert advice is well taken and I might add we should send North Korea a nice big nebulous worm hole virus to strategic targets that they would not be able to unravel and maybe they would think twice before attacking some one like Sony again.
Sony should not be intimidated by North Korea for an entertainment movie skewering there beloved kid Kim.

Colonel Paul Roques - December 19, 2014

I agree that increased sanctions should be imposed, along with placing the PRK back on the terrorist list. That should be our overt action. Without fanfare or any announcement/confirmation, we should destroy the cybersecurity operations of the PRK. They will know! we don’t need to say it.

Mary Anne W. Johnson - December 19, 2014

I’m scared they can cut our power grid and we’d be in the dark….hope and pray that won’t happen ..

Billy Bagwell - December 19, 2014

Yes they should be totally isolated and our ‘hackers’ disable all nuclear related computers (compromized)!

uwe bartsch - December 19, 2014

sanctions only no troops

Lew Griffin - December 19, 2014

I think the best way to respond to the North Korean attacks, would be to seek out and and destroy their capability to make such attacks. Call me old fashioned, but old soldiers of Korean War fame, never died.

John Shreve - December 19, 2014

I love the “tin-pot dictator” comment. I think Sony really screwed up by pulling “The Interview”. The big shots in N. Korea are sitting back and laughing their butts off and bragging about not only how they hacked Sony, but by putting a few threats out there they were able to make a large Western conglomerate turn tail and run. Sony should have stayed the course and I’ll bet they would have seen at least double the attendance to that movie. I hope Sony strongly promotes the DVD of that movie, and they should make millions.
Let’s sanction the hell out of the N. Koreans!

Mike - December 19, 2014

While I am a Heritage donor, I find it offensive that PS MSNBC is used as a creditable source of any information, especially regarding this Cyber attack on an American subsidiary of Sony. Phooey!

Jimmy Mahuron - December 19, 2014

Sorry I commented so soon.
I get emails at light speed just like you guys do! And I don’t want to send out

vern andrews - December 19, 2014

Agreed. Could also consider that Sony should play TV streaming of the movie and charge $5.00 per usage and collect the money and pass to South Korea to improve their armed forces that are a deterant to North Korea.

Holly D. Erickson - December 19, 2014

The pocket book is a strong motivator.

otto orsak - December 19, 2014

I would use the approch Regan took on Kadaffe

Jack Hogeland - December 19, 2014

Do whatever is necessary to put an end to this crime against the world.

Bill Worth - December 19, 2014

Release the film. If it becomes popular, have North Korea appologize before North Korea can see the film.

Tony Favero - December 19, 2014

Fully shameful the way Sony has chosen to respond. Kim is a dictator just begging to be made fun of. The North Korean press has commented in the past that ‘our glorious leader’ is an expert in golf and claims that Kim made 9 hole-in-ones in a row…..why is he not in the PGA one would have to ask. The N. Korean media broadcasts soccer games only when N. Korea wins (time delayed certainly). So the people believe that they never lose a soccer game. There is such a treasure trove of comic-tic material here for such shows as Saturday Night Live or Laugh In. Unfortunately, Hollywood types will cower and restrict themselves to making fun only of Christians and White Males, making certain that head chopping misogynistic Muslims from the ‘Religion of Peace’ are exempt from any public scrutiny or criticisms.

Roderick Wells - December 19, 2014

It would seem that sanctions are the most viable way to punish N.K. for their actions. Having said that I wonder how effective they will be as long as they have China as well as other middle eastern countries willing to back them up.

Peggy Orth - December 19, 2014

I AGREE! Placing STRONGER sanctions on N. Korea
can let them know that the U.S.A. will not tolerate ANY
kind of bullying.

Jakob - December 19, 2014

How should we respond – get a new President!
Still don’t want to impeach Obama, then for God’s sake do something with the courts and stop telling us there is nothing we can do!!! Stop telling us there is nothing we can do!!!
Obama is destroying the country and Boehners’ solution in granting his 1.1 Trillion budget without any sensible solutions is a disgrace. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that the Left and Right are swimming in the same direction, and in the same cesspool! Shame on you Congress, shame on you all!

Lou Herzog capt USN ret. - December 19, 2014

Embargoes shouls not be the only sanction ,ahold be some more.

jordanpky - December 19, 2014

A small nuke on their capital should do the trick.

Roland & Claudette Hazard - December 19, 2014

Of course we do!!!!

Jim Fisher - December 19, 2014

I thought the US managed the Internet. If that is so, just
cancel all North Korean internet nodes If they cannot abide by individual privacy rules, they should not be allowed to work on the internet.

Mary A. Bell - December 19, 2014

Yes, we should increase sanctions against North Korea.
The cruel dynasty which has held North Korea for 70 years deserves to fall, and I don’t know just how that will happen, but one day it will. I don’t want to be too hard on Sony.

frank marks - December 19, 2014

caution china stands behind north Korea.. our countries response should affect both

Thomas Bush - December 19, 2014

Sanctions may not work with a leader who is a dictator who would be chastised by a president who thinks he is KING. What our country needs is a great leader. If there is evidence that our President has committed any impeachable offense he needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law along with prosecution of any or all of his current or past cabinet members and Lois Lerner.

As a veteran of the Vietnam War, a father of two men in the Navy I would like to see an AMERICAN response. Why not send 100,000 or 1,000,000 copies of the movie air dropped to the citizens of N. Korea. Such a move may well ruffle the dictator’s feathers but I do believe it would send the message that Americans will never allow anyone to run rough shod on our rights and especially some dictator. Kinda like a flower in the barrel of a gun!

Christina Owen - December 19, 2014

YES, there should be sanctions! Bullies need fire against fire! They must see our strength and NOT our weakness! Sony needs to take this movie to the internet for ALL to see! (Even to N. Korea!)

Thomas Johnson - December 19, 2014

With this type of thing fast or immeadate action is best held back until it’s known what the outcome is and then decisions can made what action to take.

Rachel Verdon - December 20, 2014

Sanction North Korea? Just stop doing ALL business with them and the PRC. More to the point, stop GIVING them our technology.

Much of the military and cyber technology of the PRC was obtained via the Clinton administration, and Hillary is running for president in 2016. first, throw Bonnie and Clyde in prison for aiding and abetting the enemy. Second, publish the voting record on which congressmen granted the PRC First Nation Trade Status so we can vote the jerks out of office..

Keep in mind that wealth and poverty have NOTHING to do with the clamor for communism. We were an agricultural nation living in log cabins in 1776. The American Revolution was a capitalist revolution to set us free to build and create our own wealth. that is a character issue.

Communism is a partnership between the arrogant and the apathetic, leaders and lemmings. America is considered the wealthiest nation in the world today and we are now on the tipping point of going socialist in the process of sanctioning ourselves. Go figure. Let’s take out the enemies within first.

Rachel Verdon - December 20, 2014

More to the point, sanction the PRC. End their First Nation Trade Status this month.

John Controne - December 20, 2014

If we have the ability to attack and shut down or damage their system and any other system (think China) married to theirs, then DO IT.

Robert Lynch - December 20, 2014

Go after the North Korean government cyber out-fiit with a stuksnet type of malware, at the same time impose very restrictive sanctions. If they don’t make some type of apology after this up the ante like mining their harbors or some such action. The wishy-washy response by the so called government here and their media cabal reminds me of the game admitten.

Joyce Howard - December 20, 2014

Congress should authorize a company. Owned by citizens, not the government, to organize a group of retired computer programmers, who have had security clearances, to work to develop software what will defend our fragile industries such as the electrical grids and water control systems against hacking. This could be done cost free with tax credits to save taxes and as community service. Perhaps the Heritage Society could take on supervision of the project. This should be responded to as our Nation responded when Russia got Sputnik into space before the U.S. had an operational space ship.. The defensive software would be provided at a nominal cost for essential services.

Kenneth Putman - December 20, 2014

We should use all avenues available including sanctions to show North Korea and the rest of the world we will not be bullied into submission by intimidation. Failure to respond appropriately and quickly will definitely lead others to follow N. Korea’s example of sticking a thumb in the eye of US as a whole and especially our freedom of speech.

Carol Essman - December 20, 2014

I believe that SOMETHING should be done to respond to the hacking but I don’t have much confidence in our present administration to react positively and quickly. I can tell you that I personally will never knowingly in the future purchase anything that has the name SONY associated with the item. Cowards to the core!

Doug Lyle - December 20, 2014

Sanctions are fine but, with the technology assets in the US, we should respond in like kind. We should take down their power grid or hack their banks…whatever but it should be a strong signal not to mess with America.

Lonnie A. Summy - December 20, 2014

We should have severe sanctions against North Korea. Turnabout is fair play! Do the same thing to them only worse. We can shut them completely down just to give them a taste of their own medicine.

Donald Latta - December 20, 2014

I am an advocate of letting the world know we will not tolerate any attacks on America, cyber or otherwise. Our foriegn policy is precisely what a Muslim president would promote in order to weaken our status in the world. Fear is the only dynamic countries like North Korea and Iran will respond to favorably. We need to let rogues like NK and
all Muslim countries know that the US, without hesitation, will systematically destroy the infrastructure of any country engaging in terrorist activity with the goal of destroying America. Because ISIS and Islam are theocratic movements, Jihads, there is no reasoning with
a religious base, the Qur’an, that justifies beheading, suicide bombings, mass murder, and a plethora of heinous crimes unlike any in human history. These movements need to know we will exact a thousand to one ratio of death and destruction for every Christian and non-Muslim killed in the name of Allah and Mohammad. We are at war with evil regimes who will only stop their terroristic behavior when the cost to them is greater than their perceived objectives. We

Hubert Wente - December 20, 2014

As an American I think we should stop playing Crusader
Rabit and mind our own business. Every time we get involved it costs us billions to where we are broke and in dept up to our ass.

Daniel Pitsos - December 20, 2014

Do as much as we can! Our Country seems to be getting weaker and is in need of a morale boost. The White House is empty.

Charlotte Reicks - December 20, 2014

Yes, increased sanctions. If tiny/poor North Korea can breach a company’s security; it is a failure of national security; another failure of this administration, very unsettling and which this administration again appears to not recognize.

Francis C. Howland Jr. - December 20, 2014

Sony was hacked before, I think it was 3 or 4 years ago the Playstation online & Sony’s online streaming video Pay per view services were hit. Many email & credit card data were compromised. I dropped my account with them then. No one, to my knowlage has reported on the previous “hacking” . Also I have seen a report that the “hack” was traced back to one computer in Japan, and may have been an “insider” attack.
FCH Howland Jr., Oxford-on-the-Choccolocco, AL.

Laurie Bluth - December 20, 2014

I believe cutting NK off from everything is the best approach. They threaten and bristle, but have little power. They need to know what we can and can’t do, and what we will and will not tolerate – too long thinking we are going to cower at their worthless noise. Here’s a thought, park a fleet of ships off their coast and fly sorties over their capital hourly.

James C Edwards - December 20, 2014

Yes! Additional sanctions on N. Korea would hurt their regime, negatively reinforce their behavior and send a message to other rogue nations who might contemplate similar actions. In addition, it would undermine Chinese influence with the N. Korean regime, in that the N. Koreans would be paying the price for actions that the Chinese allegedly have assisted them with. The Chinese let this go forward because they are using N. Korea as a surrogate to attack us. Perhaps the next time N. Korea contemplates complicity with a Chinese attack on us, they will be mindful that THEY, not the Chinese, will suffer the consequences.

Wolfman - December 20, 2014

Sony is not a American company !!!

Marc Noel - December 20, 2014

Lock them out of anything and everything. It is too bad that their people have to suffer because their government is so corrupt. We should take heed as we are headed that way very quickly.

tom shupe - December 20, 2014

we have to resist that attact now the sooner the better to give north korea a inch they will take a mile and we need to move fast to stop them for they are our enemy and they want our defeat….

Mike Pizzuto - December 20, 2014

I do agree that sanctions should be increased.

Oscar Petersen - December 20, 2014

If North Korea is the actual perpetrator of the hacking, I think that a strong sanction program ought to be instituted, along with other measures that may be taken. In accordance with an adage, “what’s good for the goose, is good for the gander” and employ a little hacking into their systems may send a message that two parties can play the same game?

Fred Costello - December 20, 2014

Sanctions are too weak and too easily circumvented. Why not hack back?

terry koehl - December 20, 2014

Increase sanctions to the maximum (NOW) —No appeasement from you Mr. President—Straight talk only, no PUSSYFOOTING around—Show us what you are made of—

Roy. Width - December 20, 2014

The. U. S. Should increase sanctions on North Korea.

Thomas Dean - December 20, 2014

We have to use all possible tools to respond to N Korea. They have to get the message that they cannot intimidate us, although Sony sent the wrong one recently.

Jon Garrick - December 20, 2014

By most accounts the US (what’s left of it) has the best offensive cyber capability but worst defensive. Obola has indicated we should be oriented toward a “proportionate response.” Since anything that Obola advocates, reversed 180 degrees, is great policy, then it follows we should respond with a massive NON-proportional response. I mean if we could slow the Iranians down by working with the Mossad on Stuxnet, we can sure apply that to NK. That regime’s biggest exports are extortion, crystal meth, and cyber attacks. A massive cyber attack would cripple all three.

Charles Homan - December 20, 2014

We must respond to this attack in the most effective manner. North Korea should be made an example by appropriate military action right now or the will nuke us or one of our allies. They only respect power and will take action against over and over again unless we act.

john haugh - December 20, 2014

hack them, and remove all of their capabilities….put them back into the stone age……I would devastate them once and for all.

M. D. Wood - December 20, 2014

Although I’m not well versed in foreign affairs, I would support cutting off all trade and encouraging our allies to do so also. An eye-for-an-eye.

ron mazzucchi - December 21, 2014

We need to stop letting others tell us what to do.

Judy - December 21, 2014

Sanctions are in order and the film in question needs to be released to the public. I oppose letting North Korea censor our entertainment.

Franklin Johnson - December 21, 2014

t does it take for you to understand that this is an act of war upon the US fostered by the perceived weakness and cowardice of the Obama administration. Don’t you wonder who else is now considering similar attacks because of our refusal to accept such attacks by other governments for what they are.

John H. Kellogg - December 21, 2014

Heritage and the Experts who train for this type of action are so much better at their solutions than any Congressman who doesn’t have the tools or knowledge to handle situations like this.

David L Jones - December 21, 2014

Use every opinion to punish North Korea except military invasion. There are american experts that can do this

Edward Beadle - December 22, 2014

Sadly, with the volume on my computers speakers turned up all the way I cannot hear the video.

john p sullivan - December 22, 2014


Richard Walton,Houghton - December 23, 2014

NO’ It’s Only one misguided person, Not the whole North Korean People !

Richard Walton,Houghton - December 23, 2014

Let’s show how we as a CHRISTIAN NATION we can
Turn the other Check and use our air force world
wide and do an air drop of FOOD, Clothing,Blankets,
Tents , whatever we can get there by Dec-24th-2014

Acts of out right kindness will at least help these Starving souls !

Richard Walton,Houghton - December 23, 2014

For far too many years we have tried to use Punishment ‘ IT Does NOT work, We need to try a
New way of thinking. OUT-of- The BOX .

Try Helping these poor Starving ‘P E O P L E ‘.

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